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		<title>By: Scott Payne</title>
		<link>http://carbuyinghq.com/negotiation-is-it-needed/#comment-703</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$2501 thats it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$2501 thats it!</p>
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		<title>By: Martin O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://carbuyinghq.com/negotiation-is-it-needed/#comment-701</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s video you must watch.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/10/action-alert-obama-to-cede-us-sovereignty-in-december.html

Martin O&#039;Connor

http://smallbusinessdesigncenter.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s video you must watch.</p>
<p><a href="http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/10/action-alert-obama-to-cede-us-sovereignty-in-december.html" rel="nofollow">http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/10/action-alert-obama-to-cede-us-sovereignty-in-december.html</a></p>
<p>Martin O&#8217;Connor</p>
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		<title>By: Martin O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://carbuyinghq.com/negotiation-is-it-needed/#comment-698</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to you I&#039;ve developed an interest in cars that I did have before.   Thanks!

Martin O&#039;Connor

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to you I&#8217;ve developed an interest in cars that I did have before.   Thanks!</p>
<p>Martin O&#8217;Connor</p>
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		<title>By: David Power</title>
		<link>http://carbuyinghq.com/negotiation-is-it-needed/#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>David Power</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great advice for when you are in contact with dealers and such like!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great advice for when you are in contact with dealers and such like!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Battaglino</title>
		<link>http://carbuyinghq.com/negotiation-is-it-needed/#comment-696</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Battaglino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny how I love your blog even though it drives me crazy!  Ok but in a good way as I am always frustrated when buying a car.  It&#039;s suppose to be great that you have this new car but the buying process makes me crazy and frustrated.  Good thing you&#039;re around.

I always hate when you think you have looked up the value of your trade and then walk out with this book and come up with something a couple thousand less...

Jen Battaglino

  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theharwoodcenter.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Harwood Group - Tinnitus, Chronic Illness, Fears, and Anxiety&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny how I love your blog even though it drives me crazy!  Ok but in a good way as I am always frustrated when buying a car.  It&#8217;s suppose to be great that you have this new car but the buying process makes me crazy and frustrated.  Good thing you&#8217;re around.</p>
<p>I always hate when you think you have looked up the value of your trade and then walk out with this book and come up with something a couple thousand less&#8230;</p>
<p>Jen Battaglino</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.theharwoodcenter.com" rel="nofollow">The Harwood Group &#8211; Tinnitus, Chronic Illness, Fears, and Anxiety</a></p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a beautiful classic car.   I would love to see more pics, especially the interior!


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a beautiful classic car.   I would love to see more pics, especially the interior!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gregdougall.com/blog" rel="nofollow"> Greg Dougall, Literary Agent</a></p>
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		<title>By: Martin O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://carbuyinghq.com/negotiation-is-it-needed/#comment-694</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t an e-mail address for you so I&#039;m sending this along here.  I received this in an e-mail and thought it might have the making of a post for you.

I changed a lot of the wording.

By the way I read in a source I think reliable that not one dealer got the rebate money from the government that they discounted to the buyer.
In other words they took the discount as a loss.

Have you heard anything about this?
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IS THIS A GOOD DEAL OR WHAT?
 
You know that cash for clunkers deal Uncle Sam offered us. What’s your opinion on this?

If you traded in a &quot;clunker&quot; car worth $3500, you get $4500 off for a slight of hand &quot;savings&quot; of $1000.

But let’s read the small print, between the lines or whatever we want to call it.

You have to pay income taxes, however, on the $4500 next April 15th (something the auto dealer didn’t tell you). For those of you in the 30% tax bracket, you will pay $1350 on that $4500.  

So, rather than save $1000, you actually pay an extra $350 to Uncle.  In addition, you traded in a car that was most likely paid for, running and serviceable for several more years.  Now you have 4 or 5 years of payments on a car that you did not need and replaced one that was costing you less to run than the payments you will now be making.

But wait, it gets even better: you also got taken by the dealer.  

For example, every Ford dealer in LA was selling the Ford Focus with all the options including A/C, auto transmission, power windows, etc for $12,500 the month before the &quot;cash for clunkers&quot; program started.  

When &quot;cash for clunkers&quot; started, they stopped discounting them  and started selling them at the list price of $15,500.  So, you paid $3000 more than you would have the month before.  (Honda, Toyota , and Kia played the same list price game that Ford and Chevy did).

So lets do the final tally here:

You traded in a car worth:   $3500 
You got a discount of:       $4500
                                         ---------
Net so far                  +$1000

But you have to pay:         $1350 in taxes
                                   on the $4500 

                           --------

Net so far:                  -$350

And you paid more that the   $3000 
more than the car was 
selling for the month before

                                                                          ----------   

Net                         -$3350 



We could also add in the additional taxes (sales tax, state tax, etc.) on the extra $3000 that you paid for the car, along with the 5 years of interest on the car loan, but lets just stop here.

So who actually made out on the deal?  The IRS collected taxes on the car along with taxes on the $4500 they &quot;gave&quot; you.  The car dealers made an extra $3000 or more on every car they sold along with the kickbacks from the manufacturers and the loan companies.  The manufacturers got to dump lots of cars they could not give away the month before.  And the poor stupid consumer got saddled with even more debt.  

Obama and his band of merry men convinced Joe consumer that he was getting $4500 in &quot;free&quot; money from the &quot;government&quot; when in fact Joe was giving away his $3500 car and paying an additional $3350 for the privilege. PLUS..... all those great cars that was called &quot;clunkers &quot; weren&#039;t &quot; clunkers&quot; at all but good to great driving cars and all had to be destroyed by the government rules of this game.  The cars could have been given to needy people who could never afford to buy another car or given to a church that helped people when in need.   Goes to show you how stupid we people can be if, yes IF we keep following the &quot;pied piper&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t an e-mail address for you so I&#8217;m sending this along here.  I received this in an e-mail and thought it might have the making of a post for you.</p>
<p>I changed a lot of the wording.</p>
<p>By the way I read in a source I think reliable that not one dealer got the rebate money from the government that they discounted to the buyer.<br />
In other words they took the discount as a loss.</p>
<p>Have you heard anything about this?<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
IS THIS A GOOD DEAL OR WHAT?</p>
<p>You know that cash for clunkers deal Uncle Sam offered us. What’s your opinion on this?</p>
<p>If you traded in a &#8220;clunker&#8221; car worth $3500, you get $4500 off for a slight of hand &#8220;savings&#8221; of $1000.</p>
<p>But let’s read the small print, between the lines or whatever we want to call it.</p>
<p>You have to pay income taxes, however, on the $4500 next April 15th (something the auto dealer didn’t tell you). For those of you in the 30% tax bracket, you will pay $1350 on that $4500.  </p>
<p>So, rather than save $1000, you actually pay an extra $350 to Uncle.  In addition, you traded in a car that was most likely paid for, running and serviceable for several more years.  Now you have 4 or 5 years of payments on a car that you did not need and replaced one that was costing you less to run than the payments you will now be making.</p>
<p>But wait, it gets even better: you also got taken by the dealer.  </p>
<p>For example, every Ford dealer in LA was selling the Ford Focus with all the options including A/C, auto transmission, power windows, etc for $12,500 the month before the &#8220;cash for clunkers&#8221; program started.  </p>
<p>When &#8220;cash for clunkers&#8221; started, they stopped discounting them  and started selling them at the list price of $15,500.  So, you paid $3000 more than you would have the month before.  (Honda, Toyota , and Kia played the same list price game that Ford and Chevy did).</p>
<p>So lets do the final tally here:</p>
<p>You traded in a car worth:   $3500<br />
You got a discount of:       $4500<br />
                                         &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Net so far                  +$1000</p>
<p>But you have to pay:         $1350 in taxes<br />
                                   on the $4500 </p>
<p>                           &#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Net so far:                  -$350</p>
<p>And you paid more that the   $3000<br />
more than the car was<br />
selling for the month before</p>
<p>                                                                          &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-   </p>
<p>Net                         -$3350 </p>
<p>We could also add in the additional taxes (sales tax, state tax, etc.) on the extra $3000 that you paid for the car, along with the 5 years of interest on the car loan, but lets just stop here.</p>
<p>So who actually made out on the deal?  The IRS collected taxes on the car along with taxes on the $4500 they &#8220;gave&#8221; you.  The car dealers made an extra $3000 or more on every car they sold along with the kickbacks from the manufacturers and the loan companies.  The manufacturers got to dump lots of cars they could not give away the month before.  And the poor stupid consumer got saddled with even more debt.  </p>
<p>Obama and his band of merry men convinced Joe consumer that he was getting $4500 in &#8220;free&#8221; money from the &#8220;government&#8221; when in fact Joe was giving away his $3500 car and paying an additional $3350 for the privilege. PLUS&#8230;.. all those great cars that was called &#8220;clunkers &#8221; weren&#8217;t &#8221; clunkers&#8221; at all but good to great driving cars and all had to be destroyed by the government rules of this game.  The cars could have been given to needy people who could never afford to buy another car or given to a church that helped people when in need.   Goes to show you how stupid we people can be if, yes IF we keep following the &#8220;pied piper&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Payne</title>
		<link>http://carbuyinghq.com/negotiation-is-it-needed/#comment-692</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok.... I&#039;ll stretch to $2500 ... final offer!
Scott Payne
http://www.scottpayne.me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok&#8230;. I&#8217;ll stretch to $2500 &#8230; final offer!<br />
Scott Payne<br />
<a href="http://www.scottpayne.me" rel="nofollow">http://www.scottpayne.me</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vicki</title>
		<link>http://carbuyinghq.com/negotiation-is-it-needed/#comment-691</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the time there is room for negociation. Knowing the right questions and filling in the blanks would definately save you money.
Vicki www.bridal-threads.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the time there is room for negociation. Knowing the right questions and filling in the blanks would definately save you money.<br />
Vicki <a href="http://www.bridal-threads.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bridal-threads.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mister P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mister P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This page is worth saving.  Really good guide on what to research before buying a car.

thanks.

Bert (alter ego- Mister P)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This page is worth saving.  Really good guide on what to research before buying a car.</p>
<p>thanks.</p>
<p>Bert (alter ego- Mister P)<br />
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